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 Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by novomente on: Mar 18 2011
 
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What do you like/dislike about Gnome-Shell?


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 Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by scorici on: Mar 21 2011
 
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No, in every way!! Gnome is best at being Gnome, not Unity and not KDE. I can't work in this kind of environment , it's a stupid layout. It take away the customization and simple design , it take away the freedom to make things convenient. Just think about all the applications that was developed to fit in the Gnome DE and now people must leave their favorite DE for not being usable for day to day use. Don't try to impose how people use their desktops , give them freedom to customize and Gnome is taking that away from users.Don't try to reinvent the desktop , do not make big changes !! Sometimes is best to do nothing than to make harm and Gnome has done a lot and none good ! Users expect to leave things at their choice not to be imposed on them something. Gnome shell could be a great switch to Gnome panel if the users have the choice to switch back easily so it wouldn't affect them if they don't like it and everything would be ok. Keep developing the Gnome panel and don't take away the minimize and maximize buttons !!! Keep things as simple as possible but not simpler! Why? Because if you make it simpler than that you take away functionality. So compiz will not work with gnome 3 ... it that a plus? NO, it's a BIG MINUS !!! Every progress made so far by Gnome is thrown away by Gnome 3 , everything that was good about Gnome is thrown away. Why did Ubuntu abandon Gnome? Because it saw the direction of Gnome and how wrong it is ! It's a big gamble , and they lost even before it started. Gnome 3 is simply stupid. Something like Gnome 3 already exist and is called Unity !!! Why do something that already was there? Why reject compiz, why compete with Unity, why reject users that used Gnome for so long and are use to the simplicity of it ? I feel like the Gnome 3 is a big sabotage from M$ , and if not then people who are in charge of the development of Gnome 3 are really stupid in their decisions ! Why throw away so many things? How crazy these people are?
Old Gnome is 8/10 good - New Gnome is 3/10. So 5 steps back.
How to fuck so many peoples Linux experience? This is how....


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 Re: Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by autocrosser1 on: Mar 22 2011
 
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Interesting that you have "Unity" & Gnome3/GS backwards.....GS is a project that has been developed for several years now & "Unity" is a upstart that has just came on the stage--a half-baked one at that.

I heard the same BS from people when Gnome2 was rolled out...It was bad, not useable, wrong & different. Truth be told, inside of a year of its roll-out there was quite a bit of moding going on & that was a good thing--it gave you the Gnome you like right now.

I forsee the same happen again---Gnome3 will roll-out & inside of a year (maybe less) there will be numerous mods available---The reason? 3 is easier to write for--and there will be incentive for people to do it. As for the time being---stay with Gnome2---it will be around for the next couple of years at least...during the same time 3 will mature into a very nice, but different animal than it is today.


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 Re: Re: Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by scorici on: Mar 22 2011
 
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You might be right about that, and I might change my mind in time but as far as a first impression gnome-shell lost me. For now I will wait and see what happens , and most probably I will drop gnome in the end in favor of something else , not necessary KDE even though my PC can handle it.


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 Re: Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by linuxlex on: Mar 23 2011
 
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Ubuntu Gnome not leave because of poor environment. Ubuntu switched to a new environment and Unity, in my opinion is much worse than GnomeShell. The layout is terrible. Menu terrible ... and it's clear that Unity is partly built on the draft GnomeShell. This is my opinion. It may not be correct, but no longer personally test the Gnome shell from the very beginning, I was also skeptical, but I see now that it's a very pleasant environment, which will develop and offer developers many opportunities.


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 Re: Re: Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by Cronjo on: May 29 2011
 
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It is, Unity was developed because the Guys over at Ubuntu didn't get to dictate the features Gnome 3 would have. Basically their vision of Gnome 3 and the Gnome Groups vision of Gnome 3 were different, so Ubuntu "Took their ball and went home" so to speak. That seems to really be working out for them... Out of the top 5 Linux Distributions, Ubuntu is the only one using Unity now, before OpenSUSE and Fedora were using it as well, but have switched to Gnome 3 due to stability and portablity issues.


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 Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by Tipiaf on: Apr 10 2011
 
Score 70%

Ĝnome 3 is the best add for KDE...
This is the worst d.e., EVER !


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 Re: Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Apr 12 2011
 
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The KDE addon idea isn't bad. Actually it's very good, and possible, knowing about the flexibility of Plasma.


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 Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by 4realz on: Apr 18 2011
 
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Yes w/conditions. I hate having to click on Applications to do everything. It's a waste of time. However, it forced me to learn the keyboard shortcuts which is faster anyway but is a real pleasure in Gnome3. I am using on debian so my other issues such as epiphany not allowing me to browse the web without a root login, duplicate icons, a few other small things are probably due to an incomplete install. I am patiently awaiting Gconf to remedy some of the most annoying stuff (I hope anyway) like icons the size of passenger jets.


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 Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by ced15693 on: May 14 2011
 
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Actually, when I first heard of GNOME Shell, I thought it was going to be horrible.
However, I recently installed it on my Arch Linux Desktop and I've found it to be a lot better than I thought it would be.
It might not be as customizable yet, but it looks so much more polished up and professional out of the box than GNOME2 in its default configuration ever did.
It's pretty much as if GNOME-DO had been implemented as a core element of the desktop environment. You just hit the Win-Key or move your cursor to the upper left corner and start typing. Whatever you want to launch, that's the way to go.
What I don't like in GNOME Shell (and don't like in Unity either) are the huge icons in the applications menu. They are great for touchscreen devices, but for your average laptop or desktop computer, they just make no sense.
But, as opposed to the way I had to use Unity, in GNOME Shell, I haven't needed to use the applications menu even once. The search-function has made menus pretty much needless in my opinion. It's fast, intuitive and simple - I like it and I'm pretty sure an unexperienced user might get along with it too (which, in my opinion is not at all the case with Unity... but that's a different topic).

The only thing that has really bothered me so far is the inability to minimize windows. It's not necessary, but at times, it makes focusing on a single, non-maximized window easier and seems more comfortable than switching to an unused desktop.

In a nutshell, I'd call GNOME Shell a big step in the right direction in terms of design in all its different meanings: better looks, simplicity in design and ease of use.



On a sidenote, it even works on pretty old hardware - I recently got it to run decently on a pretty old AMD Athlon 1 GHz Single Core / Radeon9550 running on FOSS-Drivers / 512MB DDR RAM. No performance drawbacks compared to GNOME 2.


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 Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by Cronjo on: May 29 2011
 
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I waited til Mint 11 was released they at first said it would have Gnome 3, but it's development cycle and Mint's release cycle conflicted a bit I guess. But now that 11 is out, I added Gnome 3 w/Shell to my set up, and I like it. I've added a few extensions to make it more "Me Friendly" and I honestly think that in the future it will surpass Gnome 2.x in every way. The fact that extensions are all written in js is one reason, Java Script is one of the most widely used scripting languages out there and this will provide a benefit.


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 Re: Why Yes/No to Gnome-Shell?

 
 by Cronjo on: May 29 2011
 
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I waited til Mint 11 was released they at first said it would have Gnome 3, but it's development cycle and Mint's release cycle conflicted a bit I guess. But now that 11 is out, I added Gnome 3 w/Shell to my set up, and I like it. I've added a few extensions to make it more "Me Friendly" and I honestly think that in the future it will surpass Gnome 2.x in every way. The fact that extensions are all written in js is one reason, Java Script is one of the most widely used scripting languages out there and this will provide a benefit.


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 Excellent

 
 by artalio on: Mar 25 2011
 
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Wonderful environment. I think he has a great future and is easily variable.


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 Perfection for touchscreens.

 
 by mandriva0usr0 on: Mar 26 2011
 
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I don't want to inspire flame-wars, please. But although I think gnome-shell wouldn't become my favorite Desktop environment, the layout is perfect for touch-screens; the easy dock and virtual desktop switching, finding a program by pinpointing at it, even a full desktop search right at my fingertips without having to use a keyboard. That desktop is designed for no mouse usage, that's why they bumped standards like the three buttons and minimization. I can personally see myself easily using that environment on a tablet.


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 Re: Perfection for touchscreens.

 
 by scorici on: Mar 26 2011
 
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I thinks that's a great idea ! Gnome is doing already very good as a Desktop environment with gnome-do, gnomenu, guake, compiz and all these little helpers but still keeping the classic elements... like the minimize and maximize buttons and gnome-pannel... So I feel it is unnecessary the changes that have been made. For me it's a force change not a smooth one, and I'm affected by this :(


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 Re: Re: Perfection for touchscreens.

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Apr 7 2011
 
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I'm in a perfect position to certify this, because I have a Pavilion tx1000, with a touchscreen. And yes, I can certify it, GNOME 3 is A DREAM for a touchscreen. I'm very used to my KDE desktop, and the GNOME desktop seemed to me sluggish at times, but when it wasn't sluggish, I just flew. Some people say that the Activities button requires a lot of mouse travel, but that's not an issue for a touchscreen owner. Movements were simple, and I missed bigger checkboxes everywhere (the same big checkboxes that are drawing so much criticism).

It's a shame that you can't actually customize the thing (this time it's extreme: if you want a different font than Cantarell, good luck editing GConf files), or feed it with mail, tweets or Facebook information (if you want real goodness, Evolution guys, use and help to fix Akonadi). GNOME 3 is not for me. But it's true, it's a joy for the touchscreen.


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 Re: Perfection for touchscreens.

 
 by Tipiaf on: Apr 10 2011
 
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yeah, everybody knows that Linux is for people who can buy tablets and touchscreens every day if they want...

Well, Gnome is just for rich people now. And it will not have its place anymore on an office desktop. Wonderfull... 3 people around the world will be happy whith this horrible gnome 3.

I will use Openbox, and I'll tell my friends to use KDE instead of gnome for their enterprises, and at home, because they cannot buy a touchscreen. Thank you gnome, you're worst than Apple.


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 Gnome3--Gnome-Shell

 
 by autocrosser1 on: Apr 10 2011
 
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I do wish people would read & check things before writing "hate"....

If you don't like Gnome-Shell, use Gnome3 (fallback-basic)...It still looks like the Gnome2 you have used for years & runs FASTER on most equipment compared to Gnome2. Hacking is already happening on 3--I hear that Compiz will be working with fallback-basic soon & theming/icon changing is coming along very well for both GUI's....

Gnome-Shell is a way to get MORE users into the Linux world---And as far as using it....well when you are at the GDM screen its a ONE click change between Shell and "basic"---so you can do either within seconds of system start.

We need to stay at least on a par with the other OS's and Shell will introduce non-Linux people to Linux via phones & pads--They are the future for most of the non-techie world..I will keep my mind open to developments that affect the whole Linux community.


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 Re: Gnome3--Gnome-Shell

 
 by IBBoard on: Apr 14 2011
 
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I'd agree - I think Gnome 3/Gnome-Shell has come on leaps and bounds in the last 6 months.

I had it installed on my laptop in Ubuntu 10.10, because I wanted to try something other than Unity. It was okay, but not great.

I then had it installed on my desktop under openSUSE 11.4 and it was much better. The theme had improved, various niggles were gone and it generally looked more like a task-focused UI and less like a "look at teh preeeeteeeez" system.

Last night I updated my openSUSE 11.4 machine to Gnome 3 stable from the Build Service and it has improved it again. Various bits are nicer and more polished. Gnome Tweak Tool lets you change themes and things (although the list is a little bit constrained compared to what it was - but I wrote instructions for splicing files to fix that for now).

It is still lacking a little bit of customisation, and I'm not quite sure why GTK3 went for the slider switch for toggle (apart from the fact that iOS and Android do it, so it is "cool"), but I'm a power user who is used to the keyboard and I think I'm going to be sticking with it now.

At least the first release seems to be quite usable, unlike certain other desktops :D


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 Re: Re: Gnome3--Gnome-Shell

 
 by Karmicbastler on: Apr 17 2011
 
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hi together,

I love Gnome-Shell, because it looks much nicer than Unity and Unity is still way too buggy for productive use. I really can't understand, why Canonical wants their users to use something, which is so unstable...To this I can only recommend to Canonical to think twice and go the same way, as the Mint-developers do.

They leave the choice open to their users, which desktop-environment they decide for. There was a big poll and the wide majority chose Gnome-Shell under these circumstances.

I also would choose this way if I had to. But what I am also missing in Gnome-Shell is the possibility to use Emerald-window-decorator instead of Metacity. But this does not work. I found out why. It's the dependencies of Emerald to Compiz. But Gnome-Shell is not able to go together with compiz-window-manager. So this would really be a thing for the developers, to open up this possibility. I also prefere Emerald as window decorator.

So my big hope would be with the developers of Gnome-Shell, to make compiz work together with Gnome-Shell. This would push more users to Gnome-Shell. And this would be a real future. Please work on this!!! Please, please, please!!!


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 Just use the keyboard guys

 
 by iamtim on: Apr 22 2011
 
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Literally you can launch Activities just by pressing the Win/Super key, and just go straight to typing whatever you want. I hardly need to use the mouse for anything outside of an application, with just a few keys. It's like Gnome-Do, but without the extra program, and built in. There's just so much less you have to do to get where you're going. Everything feels smoother, and I checked system resources, Do and Gnome-2 with Compiz took up more memory than Gnome-Shell, and I like Gnome-Shell much better. It just feels natural to use, at least, to me. Just remember, there is more than just the mouse to using a computer ;)


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 Re: Just use the keyboard guys

 
 by IBBoard on: Apr 22 2011
 
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It's like Gnome-Do, except it does annoying scaling things *every* time you want to start an app! I keep Gnome-Do installed for that and for being able to skip tracks in Banshee etc (I've not got multimedia keys and don't want to remember more key bindings).


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 The future is here

 
 by IIJETHROII on: Apr 26 2011
 
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I like very much Gnome 3 and i am ready for change. I like to work with keyboard shortcut. But i think it could be easier to change themes. But i realy like the first version of gnome 3 and i hope the best for the future. Keep it up guys, good work and i am going to adopt a hacker this year too.


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